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For anyone interested in (Animal) Vaccinations.

Recently there has been an urban legend floating around in the animal medicine world about vaccinations that apply to human vaccinations as well.

The believe nowadays is that mercury is being used in vaccinations for antimicrobial uses. Mercury is a heavy metal that accumulates in the body until it reaches toxic levels in the body. The half-life of mercury is 50 days.

The type of mercury that they have in mind is Methyl-Mercury which is toxic. But the one being used for antimicrobial uses in vaccinations is Ethyl-Mercury which is not toxic and the half-life is 4-7 days.

The reason that Ethyl-Mercury is not toxic is because the liver (Hepar) can actively excrete the substance which it can’t do with Methyl-Mercury.

The amount of Ethyl-Mercury that has been deemed safe the European Medicine Authority is 0,02%. Only half is present in most vaccinations.

The recent increase of attention to this comes from the new L4 (Leptospirosis) Vaccination. But this substance has been used for all the vaccinations in the past.

There are signs that Ethyl-Mercury can cause allergic reactions to the skin but because Ethyl-Mercury is only administered to the patient once every year at the most the risk of sensitization is very small.

The reason that Ethyl-Mercury is being used in vaccinations is because of the years of experience with it and its effectiveness and safety of the so said substance. The substance has been proven that it does not cause behavioral or neurological damage, this is supported by EMA and the WHO.

 



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An interesting read. I wonder

An interesting read. I wonder what scaremongering the 'vaccines cause autism' brigade will come up with next.


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I always thought that

I always thought that vaccination is the way "The Man" works his mindcontrol

 


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Erazmaz wrote:I always
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I always thought that vaccination is the way "The Man" works his mindcontrol

 

Just because a governmental body says something is safe doesn't mean it's safe. Those are the same people who said "duck and cover" was a way to protect yourself from nuclear armageddon.

Vaccination is the tool of the "powers that be" to enact a degree of population shaping. Check out the Georgian Guidestones to see their evil agenda.

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CC are you sure you want to

CC are you sure you want to speak badly of vaccinations with me and schwarz around? just saying but as the master fluggy would say. im gonna bum ye! Tongue



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CC are you sure you want to speak badly of vaccinations with me and schwarz around? just saying but as the master fluggy would say. im gonna bum ye! :P

 

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CC is biast, he likes them

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hahaha, well prepare for the wall of text when I get home Tongue



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Vaccinations

Vaccinations

Often a subject of a lot of discussion and doubt. All of these in my opinion completely unnecessary, which I will explain in several subjects and chapters.

 

What is a vaccination?

A vaccination is a substance containing a deactivated or living virus/bacteria that we inject into somebodies body. The Immune system will react to this virus/bacteria as it is meant to do with a “natural” infection.

Vaccinations are classified as active artificial immunity. This means that the actual virus is injected artificially but the body has to process the virus on its own and produce its own antigens and antibodies.

This process is completely the same as the “real” deal.

 

Natural ways are better”

In a sense a vaccination is the “Natural” way. The body will produce the same amount of antigens and antibodies as it would when the disease it met in a natural occurrence. The difference is that the vaccination is most likely deactivated. This mean that the DNA/RNA is removed from the virus and thus the virus cannot reproduce. The body will react to the protein encasement of the virus.

Often an argument is given that the “natural” way will produce more and/or longer lasting antigens and antibodies. As you can read above this is not true since the body goes through exactly the same stages as it would the “natural” way.

Vaccinations are better than the  “natural” way because it will include deadly diseases that if met naturally it would kill the person that was infected. Vaccinations create a immunity for this disease if ever met naturally without any repercussions or very little. And when you actually meet the disease it will work as a “booster” to you body resulting in even more antibodies/antigens being produced without any effects to the subject  

 

“Autism”

Often people say that vaccinations cause autism. This is completely false argument often used by people who are against vaccinations just to talk into their own “alley”.

A “scientist” came with results showing that these two were related and thus vaccinations cause autism. Note that I used quotation marks on the word “scientist”

After these results multiple researchers/companies jumped on this and did their own tests. Results showed no links at all. An investigation into his research showed that he  messed with the results or even made it up completely. Now that is being a liar not a scientist.

So why would he do this? Answer is pretty simple, money. He was trying to bring down a thriving business so he could receive money and fame out of this.

Even now research has still not shown any evidence of autism and vaccinations being linked.

 

“Cancer”

People also blame vaccinations for the increased rate of cancer. Now this is where it turns into a grey area. Is there a chance of them causing cancer? Yes. But these risks are microscopically small and only apply to very local cancer and not the cancer that people have in mind that is located more in the body and organs. Now granted even a tumour could be maligne and metastasize but this chance is small, very small.

Now what causes this risk then (if any)?

Deactivated viruses are “dead” viruses. This means they have to be kept in a formaldehyde like substance to keep them from wasting.

This substance can cause cancer but these odds are very small, so small that you would also have to count in the fact of the injection itself causing cancer and this is the same as cutting yourself.

 

“Mercury”  (copied over from my previous post)

Recently there has been an urban legend floating around in the animal medicine world about vaccinations that apply to human vaccinations as well.

The believe nowadays is that mercury is being used in vaccinations for antimicrobial uses. Mercury is a heavy metal that accumulates in the body until it reaches toxic levels in the body. The half-life of mercury is 50 days.

The type of mercury that they have in mind is Methyl-Mercury which is toxic. But the one being used for antimicrobial uses in vaccinations is Ethyl-Mercury which is not toxic and the half-life is 4-7 days.

The reason that Ethyl-Mercury is not toxic is because the liver (Hepar) can actively excrete the substance which it can’t do with Methyl-Mercury.

The amount of Ethyl-Mercury that has been deemed safe the European Medicine Authority is 0,02%. Only half is present in most vaccinations.

The recent increase of attention to this comes from the new L4 (Leptospirosis) Vaccination. But this substance has been used for all the vaccinations in the past.

There are signs that Ethyl-Mercury can cause allergic reactions to the skin but because Ethyl-Mercury is only administered to the patient once every year at the most the risk of sensitization is very small.

The reason that Ethyl-Mercury is being used in vaccinations is because of the years of experience with it and its effectiveness and safety of the so said substance. The substance has been proven that it does not cause behavioural or neurological damage, this is supported by EMA and the WHO.

 

Conclusion:

So vaccinations provide the same protection as the “real” deal, do not cause autism and the chance of cancer is the same as cutting yourself. So why do people distrust it so much? My guess is that when something is doing so well and is so wide spread people like to be negative and distrust it because negative critism is much more easy to believe than positive. Also there is a trend right now that people distrust the medical world of today often fed by Homeopathy and Homoeopathist (which is not a protected professions so everyone can call themselves Homoeopathist)

Logically speaking there’s no reason to not vaccinate. Now there are also subjects like religion and because it “feels” right. I have no right to contradict those even my opinion is something different.

I have no problem with people not taking vaccinations on their own. What rattles my cage is their need to spread the word and the HAVE to tell everybody it is bad. You are hurting public health and safety doing it. Because like it or not, vaccinations provide better safety and health in our society!



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I think the reason many

I think the reason many people distrust vaccines is not anything to do with the science behind it. It's more the pharma companies. They're in existence to profit and have a long history of putting people at risk when there's money to be made. There's also widespread distrust of governments but that's a whole other topic.

In summary, the science isn't always the target of criticism here. It's the industry and the motivational vectors behind vaccines.

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That is true, but I would

That is true, but I would like to ask such a person what their idea of a succesful company is. A company needs to make money so its nothing but logical that they charge you for it. I find such opinions often short sighted and very shallow im afraid



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That is of course a

That is of course a definition of successful in a capitalism economy, such as we live in. However, profit will often go hand-over-fist against providing the best service as company could have. Take, for example, the mobile phone industry. If a phone was made to last longer than the customary 12-18 month contract term then that company would go bust, while being far more humanitarian in it's approach. It's called planned obsolecence.

Anyway, to the point. A successful company, in my eyes, isn't going to live long in this capitalistic dog-eat-dog world. It'd benefit the customer too much. Pharma companies are there to benefit shareholders, not customers. That's the central premise to my argument. That's not mutually exclusive to providing the customer a benefit but it's normally at a cost.

The bigger question is what kind of world do you want to live in - one where cash is king or would you rather have a different society based on a more morale high-ground than greed and self-gratification?

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I am reallistic on this point

I am reallistic on this point. I know that the companies design their products to not last longer than a intentional period. but there is no avoiding this and useally it is not as bad as people say it is. but in terms of vaccinations this really doesnt apply. since a well vaccinated child wont have to vaccinate again if everything goes well (excluding traveling)

And to risk public health and safety just to prove a point is playing with fire and is very selfish often not with the interest of the child in  mind



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Is it realistic that a pharma

Is it realistic that a pharma company could withhold a cheap cure to a fatal malady when they have an expensive product which doesn't cure but prolongs life for a short period?

I do realise there's no winning this argument. I don't have any training in this field but it's my skepisicm and pragmatism which makes me realise it's not a clear cut case that vaccines are quite as angelic as they are portrayed.

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This is a misconception often

This is a misconception often made by a lot of people. Think about it. The company that would create such a cure would be leading the market with billions of profit that would otherwise be in the millions. Sometimes it is hard to understand for a lot of people that sometimes a cure is not possible with the current knowledge/techonology. Take patent #5676977 that supposedly cures aids. This patent was created in 1996 which makes people think why we havnt seen any of this. people think that it is not released to have extra profit. The explaination is much less exicting however. These kind of people will create a patent for something without doing research or do anything for it. It is fictional, not existing. This patent will make sure that they can take a small portion of the profit IF or WHEN a cure is developed. Its a pure scam and these kind of lies cause imense damage to the trustwortyness of pharma companies.

Now back to vaccinations, these all do not apply since they are already preventive medical care. Which means they make sure you will not get sick. So how can they hold back a so called cure if you will not get sick in the first place. The lovely thing about vaccinations is that they use natural products (viruses or bacteria) to cause a natural reaction inside your body. Sure there can be side effects but these are very minimal IF they even occur compared to the actual disease.



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Unless the profit of the life

Unless the profit of the life prolonging medicine was more than the profit from the cure.

Do you know we haven't had any new types of antibiotics in over 25 years? That is due to it being a low profit exercise. Yet we have MRSA and all sorts of superbugs which are resistant to current antibiotics. Still, they flood the market (and some would say corner it) with antibiotics which are not helping, but exacerbating, this.

Here's an article to that effect: http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/news/news-newsletter-vol-30-no-1-2.shtml

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To my knownledge there are

To my knownledge there are tons of anti biotics added in the latest years (at least in the animal wold) and some of them very effective. even with sulphate combined with them so bacteria that were previously impervious to the antibiotic is not impervious anymore.

The main problem with anti biotics is that people use them in the wrong way like not finishing their cures or the mis use in the animal world (which is being ramped down MASSIVELY)

Its not the type of anti biotic that matters so much, its the use of them but people often do not finish their cure because they "feel" better. but this will create bacteria that are resistant to that antibiotic because not all of them were killed.

anti biotics are a awesome thing, people often overlook the dramatic effect it has had on out medical world. even in pregancies the amount of mothers dying from child birth has been reduced by 99% after the 1940 to 1950 because of this and better surgical skills.

the whole problem of resistance is cause mainly by humans and not by the companies. (this includes vets!)

But on the bright side, we have learned and we are moving on but creating new anti biotics that can battle MRSA is not simple and testing it takes even longer.



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one point I forgot is that

one point I forgot is that goverments and companies are spending billions in developing new antibiotics. again, the first company that will have a antibiotic that is effective against MRSA will be richer than richie rich
 



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Animals are one thing. People

Animals are one thing. People are another Tongue

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well, they are more and less

well, they are more and less the same. especially medicine wise



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That's interesting - can a

That's interesting - can a human take animal antibiotics and expect good results and/or no weird side effects?

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the only difference is dose

the only difference is dose really. some medicine have an extra component or lacking one to cope with the slightly different genes/anatomy but useally the drug is not much different or not different at all



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Generally, CC, animal

Generally, CC, animal antibiotics target microorganisms that only affect animals so you'd never need to take them in the first place.


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actually schwarz. many of

actually schwarz. many of them are equal or almost equal to the ones we humans take!



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Such as?

Such as?


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amoxicillin, Cefovecin

amoxicillin, Cefovecin/Convenia®, doxycyclin, amoxicillin / clavulanic acid, piperacillin, (benzyl)penicilline/ feneticilline ect. even humane registered products are often used of course if it conforms with the cascade agreement, examples are: flucloxacillin, piperacillin/tazobactam



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But these aren't exclusively

But these aren't exclusively animal antibiotics or human antibiotics, are they? They target microorganisms which affect both humans and animals. Most of them are also broad spectrum. The ones I was referring to were to target microorganisms that only affect animals Tongue


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